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		<title>By: Rebecca Boren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Boren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh! I can&#039;t believe I referred to a &quot;local HSUS shelter&quot; when part of the point of this discussion is that there is no such critter.......err, thing. To clarify, if you want your pet charity dollars to go directly to housing, caring for, and adopting out, homeless dogs and cats and other pets, give to your local chapter of the Humane Society -- in our part of the world, that is the Humane Society of Southern Arizona -- or other local chapter of a bigger organization. Chances are, these shelters get zero dollars from the national umbrella group. If you love and want to help out a specific breed of dog, give to the nearest rescue for that breed. (Which can usually be found by navigating AKC chapter websites) -- these groups usually house their rescues through a network of foster homes, but they need contributions to cover the costs of veterinary care, long-term meds, transportation, etc. etc. Your local government-run pound may also have a tax-deductible arm for you to improve the living conditions of the jailed -- if you can stand to support the pound system in any way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh! I can&#8217;t believe I referred to a &#8220;local HSUS shelter&#8221; when part of the point of this discussion is that there is no such critter&#8230;&#8230;.err, thing. To clarify, if you want your pet charity dollars to go directly to housing, caring for, and adopting out, homeless dogs and cats and other pets, give to your local chapter of the Humane Society &#8212; in our part of the world, that is the Humane Society of Southern Arizona &#8212; or other local chapter of a bigger organization. Chances are, these shelters get zero dollars from the national umbrella group. If you love and want to help out a specific breed of dog, give to the nearest rescue for that breed. (Which can usually be found by navigating AKC chapter websites) &#8212; these groups usually house their rescues through a network of foster homes, but they need contributions to cover the costs of veterinary care, long-term meds, transportation, etc. etc. Your local government-run pound may also have a tax-deductible arm for you to improve the living conditions of the jailed &#8212; if you can stand to support the pound system in any way!</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, I&#039;m glad you wrote, and I&#039;m pleased to hear that Michael Vick is having an effect on at-risk youth. I wish that HSUS had limited his role to participating in that program and not given him so much publicity; I would have been more convinced of his contrition. 

I wasn&#039;t suggesting that because you don&#039;t have local shelters you don&#039;t do much for animals; quite the contrary. I simply meant that local shelters should be judged on their own merits.

As for the gloves, I&#039;m not a member so for me to take that extra step of seeking out the membership department means that I have to put in effort to stop getting something I didn&#039;t ask for.

But again, I really appreciate your taking the time to present HSUS&#039;s perspective. What you say about Vick&#039;s role made me re-think how I feel about it -- and that&#039;s a good thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I&#8217;m glad you wrote, and I&#8217;m pleased to hear that Michael Vick is having an effect on at-risk youth. I wish that HSUS had limited his role to participating in that program and not given him so much publicity; I would have been more convinced of his contrition. </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that because you don&#8217;t have local shelters you don&#8217;t do much for animals; quite the contrary. I simply meant that local shelters should be judged on their own merits.</p>
<p>As for the gloves, I&#8217;m not a member so for me to take that extra step of seeking out the membership department means that I have to put in effort to stop getting something I didn&#8217;t ask for.</p>
<p>But again, I really appreciate your taking the time to present HSUS&#8217;s perspective. What you say about Vick&#8217;s role made me re-think how I feel about it &#8212; and that&#8217;s a good thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education, education, education, and enforcement.  I wish I could say it&#039;s a spiritual problem, but there&#039;s abuse and neglect of pets at all levels of humanity. Humans need to do better. I put my money towards spay/neuter programs (but not for 8 week old kittens!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education, education, education, and enforcement.  I wish I could say it&#8217;s a spiritual problem, but there&#8217;s abuse and neglect of pets at all levels of humanity. Humans need to do better. I put my money towards spay/neuter programs (but not for 8 week old kittens!).</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was interesting for me to read. Full disclosure: I work at the HSUS :) 
As someone who also volunteers with a pit bull rescue, I found it really hard to understand when we first started working with Vick. But the conclusion I have reached, is that I don&#039;t have to be friends with Vick to say he&#039;s having a impact on dog fighting. You and I, and everyone reading this blog knows dog fighting is wrong. But though it&#039;s difficult to comprehend, the fact remains that despite all the facts out there, kids are STILL getting involved in dog fighting! 

The pit bull training team in Chicago has former dog fighters talking to at risk youth, and provides training classes for people and their pit bulls, and it&#039;s been great. People are listening, and joining these classes, which has a positive effect on both the 2 and 4 legged participants!

Since Vick started speaking about dog fighting, we&#039;ve received over 100 calls from communities wanting to start anti-dogfighting programs in their area. This will of course not bring back any of the dogs he killed, but what it will do, is prevent other dogs from meeting the same fate. To me, that makes it pretty effective. 

As for local shelters, no, we do don&#039;t run local shelters - I cannot stress that enough, but that doesn&#039;t mean we don&#039;t do a lot for animals. In 2009 121 animal protection laws were passed, that&#039;s amazing progress! It&#039;s hard not to focus on the present and look at the dog in the shelter and say darn it why can&#039;t that HSUS save THAT dog? But that&#039;s not what HSUS is there for - we&#039;re not a local shelter, but we want to help pass stronger laws so that people committing crimes against the animals are actually prosecuted, and that we can prevent animals from ending up in the shelter in the first place. 

Lastly, I do want to point out while we don&#039;t run your local shelters, we do have 5 animal care facilities that provide direct care. Now none of these are animal shelters like your local one, that are open admission etc, but they provide direct care. We have the wildlife centers on Cape Cod in Massachusetts and San Diego County in California, and in Broward County, Florida, our Duchess Sanctuary in Oregon for horses, and the Cleveland Amory Black Beauty Ranch, which cares for more than 1,000 large mammals, in east Texas.

Anyways, I just wanted to post my two cents, feel free to shoot me an email if you have questions!

PS About those direct mail gloves etc, you can always call our membership department and ask to only receive mail X number of times a year, so do feel free to do that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was interesting for me to read. Full disclosure: I work at the HSUS <img src='http://willmydoghateme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
As someone who also volunteers with a pit bull rescue, I found it really hard to understand when we first started working with Vick. But the conclusion I have reached, is that I don&#8217;t have to be friends with Vick to say he&#8217;s having a impact on dog fighting. You and I, and everyone reading this blog knows dog fighting is wrong. But though it&#8217;s difficult to comprehend, the fact remains that despite all the facts out there, kids are STILL getting involved in dog fighting! </p>
<p>The pit bull training team in Chicago has former dog fighters talking to at risk youth, and provides training classes for people and their pit bulls, and it&#8217;s been great. People are listening, and joining these classes, which has a positive effect on both the 2 and 4 legged participants!</p>
<p>Since Vick started speaking about dog fighting, we&#8217;ve received over 100 calls from communities wanting to start anti-dogfighting programs in their area. This will of course not bring back any of the dogs he killed, but what it will do, is prevent other dogs from meeting the same fate. To me, that makes it pretty effective. </p>
<p>As for local shelters, no, we do don&#8217;t run local shelters &#8211; I cannot stress that enough, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t do a lot for animals. In 2009 121 animal protection laws were passed, that&#8217;s amazing progress! It&#8217;s hard not to focus on the present and look at the dog in the shelter and say darn it why can&#8217;t that HSUS save THAT dog? But that&#8217;s not what HSUS is there for &#8211; we&#8217;re not a local shelter, but we want to help pass stronger laws so that people committing crimes against the animals are actually prosecuted, and that we can prevent animals from ending up in the shelter in the first place. </p>
<p>Lastly, I do want to point out while we don&#8217;t run your local shelters, we do have 5 animal care facilities that provide direct care. Now none of these are animal shelters like your local one, that are open admission etc, but they provide direct care. We have the wildlife centers on Cape Cod in Massachusetts and San Diego County in California, and in Broward County, Florida, our Duchess Sanctuary in Oregon for horses, and the Cleveland Amory Black Beauty Ranch, which cares for more than 1,000 large mammals, in east Texas.</p>
<p>Anyways, I just wanted to post my two cents, feel free to shoot me an email if you have questions!</p>
<p>PS About those direct mail gloves etc, you can always call our membership department and ask to only receive mail X number of times a year, so do feel free to do that!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Boren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Boren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My BS meter goes on overload every time I see an HSUS TV commercial (on Animal Cops, yet), saying your contributions will save the lives of animals (which we have just viewed cowering in shelter cages). No, they won&#039;t, except in the most indirect and attenuated fashion. Alas, giving to animal welfare, like so many worthwhile pursuits, requires a bit of work. Check out your local HSUS or other animal welfare shelter. You can&#039;t figure out their finances at a glance, but you can sure tell easily enough if they run a clean and caring facility, have creative adoption and education programs, or just run doggie (and kitty) death row.  Contributing to the confusion is the unfortunate fact that many humane organizations have long provided local dog pound --animal control-- services for local governments. Such shelters may be the province of caring, knowledgeable animal lovers -- or of people whose main interest is in getting their contract renewed. In either case, chances are they will be killing dogs and cats -- and not just for humane (i.e. terminal illness) purposes.

In the earlier postings, someone touched on the fact that shelters that cater to the general public are going to kill at a much higher rate than private rescues such as those specializing in a single breed. Public shelters protect themselves and the public by only adopting out the &quot;safest&quot; animals -- those who can handle the trauma of landing in a shelter without trying to protect themselves by snarling or snapping, those without visible health problems, no pit bulls over the age of four months, etc etc. I once pulled from a public shelter a miniature poodle who had both problems -- he was blind and sufficiently terrorized to nip at strangers who grabbed him. At the shelter, either problem doomed him. Instead he is now a happy and cherished family pet who chases toys and dances on his hind legs for treats.  I turn green when I see supposed animal temperament tests, where, for example, someone sticks a rubber hand in a starving dog&#039;s food dish and declares the dog who bites the hand that is not feeding it -- or tries to play with the hand -- unadoptable. By all means, give to the good, clean, local shelters that try to find homes for, not kill off, the animals places in their care. Give to breed-specific rescues, which are always starving for money and foster homes. And because not every dog is going to find a home, give to the sanctuaries that provide loving, lifetime homes for elderly, disabled, or otherwise &quot;unadoptable&quot; pets,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My BS meter goes on overload every time I see an HSUS TV commercial (on Animal Cops, yet), saying your contributions will save the lives of animals (which we have just viewed cowering in shelter cages). No, they won&#8217;t, except in the most indirect and attenuated fashion. Alas, giving to animal welfare, like so many worthwhile pursuits, requires a bit of work. Check out your local HSUS or other animal welfare shelter. You can&#8217;t figure out their finances at a glance, but you can sure tell easily enough if they run a clean and caring facility, have creative adoption and education programs, or just run doggie (and kitty) death row.  Contributing to the confusion is the unfortunate fact that many humane organizations have long provided local dog pound &#8211;animal control&#8211; services for local governments. Such shelters may be the province of caring, knowledgeable animal lovers &#8212; or of people whose main interest is in getting their contract renewed. In either case, chances are they will be killing dogs and cats &#8212; and not just for humane (i.e. terminal illness) purposes.</p>
<p>In the earlier postings, someone touched on the fact that shelters that cater to the general public are going to kill at a much higher rate than private rescues such as those specializing in a single breed. Public shelters protect themselves and the public by only adopting out the &#8220;safest&#8221; animals &#8212; those who can handle the trauma of landing in a shelter without trying to protect themselves by snarling or snapping, those without visible health problems, no pit bulls over the age of four months, etc etc. I once pulled from a public shelter a miniature poodle who had both problems &#8212; he was blind and sufficiently terrorized to nip at strangers who grabbed him. At the shelter, either problem doomed him. Instead he is now a happy and cherished family pet who chases toys and dances on his hind legs for treats.  I turn green when I see supposed animal temperament tests, where, for example, someone sticks a rubber hand in a starving dog&#8217;s food dish and declares the dog who bites the hand that is not feeding it &#8212; or tries to play with the hand &#8212; unadoptable. By all means, give to the good, clean, local shelters that try to find homes for, not kill off, the animals places in their care. Give to breed-specific rescues, which are always starving for money and foster homes. And because not every dog is going to find a home, give to the sanctuaries that provide loving, lifetime homes for elderly, disabled, or otherwise &#8220;unadoptable&#8221; pets,</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, you definitely need to write about this topic; clearly you have far more first hand experience than I do with the inner workings of shelters -- including knowledge of such things as the Asilomar accord, which I had never heard of until you mentioned it here (for others in the same position, here&#039;s a link with some additional information: http://www.guardiancampaign.com/maddies_fund.html)

And don&#039;t even get me started on PETA...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, you definitely need to write about this topic; clearly you have far more first hand experience than I do with the inner workings of shelters &#8212; including knowledge of such things as the Asilomar accord, which I had never heard of until you mentioned it here (for others in the same position, here&#8217;s a link with some additional information: <a href="http://www.guardiancampaign.com/maddies_fund.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardiancampaign.com/maddies_fund.html</a>)</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on PETA&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Haight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Haight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not mutually exclusive at all, rather puppy mills end up filling shelters, and many have medical issues that make them hard to adopt. In open adoption shelters, that means a death sentence.  

People need to stop buying from shops and puppy mill kennels per that article Eric provided above.  But we also need a better set of defining attributes for what is a &quot;good breeder&quot; and how are they distinguished from the bad guys.  It&#039;s all too confusing to the general public.  Small family breeders who hand raise to improve the breed, not for the money, need to step up and get rid of the puppy mills.  The politics of this gets in everybody&#039;s way and does not one bit of service to anyone but the puppy mills. Oh, and the AKC since they give &quot;papers&quot; to puppy mill dogs now in exchange for fees.

Shelter change issues are of dire import--and that&#039;s where Winograd can shine.  I recommended him to the RSPCA in NSW Australia last year in email exchanges.  They had remarked on a blog I wrote regarding kill rates and Chicago&#039;s relative success, albeit over five years, of cutting numbers in half, and wanted to know more about how that was achieved. While Chicago Animal Shelter Alliance worked with Maddie&#039;s fund using the Asilomar accords to get everyone ranking animal condition in an easily, mutually understood way, we had no formally written plan, so Winograd&#039;s blueprint was what they needed.

Loved your view on PeTA. &quot;Publicity whores&quot; they are! Any group that kills more than 95% of the dogs and cats they &quot;rescue&quot; needs to be starved out of donations for that purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not mutually exclusive at all, rather puppy mills end up filling shelters, and many have medical issues that make them hard to adopt. In open adoption shelters, that means a death sentence.  </p>
<p>People need to stop buying from shops and puppy mill kennels per that article Eric provided above.  But we also need a better set of defining attributes for what is a &#8220;good breeder&#8221; and how are they distinguished from the bad guys.  It&#8217;s all too confusing to the general public.  Small family breeders who hand raise to improve the breed, not for the money, need to step up and get rid of the puppy mills.  The politics of this gets in everybody&#8217;s way and does not one bit of service to anyone but the puppy mills. Oh, and the AKC since they give &#8220;papers&#8221; to puppy mill dogs now in exchange for fees.</p>
<p>Shelter change issues are of dire import&#8211;and that&#8217;s where Winograd can shine.  I recommended him to the RSPCA in NSW Australia last year in email exchanges.  They had remarked on a blog I wrote regarding kill rates and Chicago&#8217;s relative success, albeit over five years, of cutting numbers in half, and wanted to know more about how that was achieved. While Chicago Animal Shelter Alliance worked with Maddie&#8217;s fund using the Asilomar accords to get everyone ranking animal condition in an easily, mutually understood way, we had no formally written plan, so Winograd&#8217;s blueprint was what they needed.</p>
<p>Loved your view on PeTA. &#8220;Publicity whores&#8221; they are! Any group that kills more than 95% of the dogs and cats they &#8220;rescue&#8221; needs to be starved out of donations for that purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary-Alice, I could write a whole other post about the confusion in terminology -- including the fact that not all no-kill shelters are great places for dogs to stay --  funding etc. Good for you for taking the time to investigate. Which leads me to my answer to Eric and the point of the post: I don&#039;t think people who care about dogs are going to be put off by the national politics from donating to other organizations, and especially local ones that they can investigate personally -- or working for animal causes that are important to them. But that&#039;s just my feeling; there&#039;s no evidence either way, I suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary-Alice, I could write a whole other post about the confusion in terminology &#8212; including the fact that not all no-kill shelters are great places for dogs to stay &#8212;  funding etc. Good for you for taking the time to investigate. Which leads me to my answer to Eric and the point of the post: I don&#8217;t think people who care about dogs are going to be put off by the national politics from donating to other organizations, and especially local ones that they can investigate personally &#8212; or working for animal causes that are important to them. But that&#8217;s just my feeling; there&#8217;s no evidence either way, I suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Goebelbecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Goebelbecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mutually exclusive? Not necessarily, unless bashing national organizations leads to money staying in pockets rather than being contributed to any cause at all, which I suspect is often the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mutually exclusive? Not necessarily, unless bashing national organizations leads to money staying in pockets rather than being contributed to any cause at all, which I suspect is often the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary-Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary-Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a timely post! I was just talking with my mother about the two shelters here in Mount Vernon, Ohio. One, named the Knox County Humane Society, is self-funded and no-kill -- a truly loving and delightful place, but always desperate for funds and supplies. The other, named the Knox County Animal Shelter, is funded by the county, has impressive new digs -- and doesn&#039;t just euthanize animals -- it gases them in large groups. Animals who die there die painfully. And they&#039;re government funded! Also, please note how confusing the entities&#039; names are. Take home lesson: Ask questions, and find out all you can about a shelter&#039;s policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a timely post! I was just talking with my mother about the two shelters here in Mount Vernon, Ohio. One, named the Knox County Humane Society, is self-funded and no-kill &#8212; a truly loving and delightful place, but always desperate for funds and supplies. The other, named the Knox County Animal Shelter, is funded by the county, has impressive new digs &#8212; and doesn&#8217;t just euthanize animals &#8212; it gases them in large groups. Animals who die there die painfully. And they&#8217;re government funded! Also, please note how confusing the entities&#8217; names are. Take home lesson: Ask questions, and find out all you can about a shelter&#8217;s policies.</p>
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