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		<title>By: Will My Dog Hate Me? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reconsidering Raw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will My Dog Hate Me? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reconsidering Raw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] argued in a recent post that, with Frankie&#8217;s compromised immune system, I wasn&#8217;t going to feed him any raw [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I get for going out to dinner and shutting down my computer. I came back on line this morning to find all kinds of great comments that I wish I had time to address at the length they deserve (and in the format; when I revamp my blog - yes, that&#039;s still in the works -- I&#039;ll have a threading device).

Anyway, I&#039;m glad raw feeding has worked for so many and maybe somewhere down the line I&#039;ll tinker with Frankie&#039;s diet again, but for now, I&#039;m satisfied with the kibble/cooked meat &amp; veggie mix I&#039;ve devised. It&#039;s not like I haven&#039;t been putting in the time. At one point I was slow cooking tepary beans from the Tohono O&#039;odham reservation because of their high fiber and protein content, proven to reverse diabetes in humans (then I discovered canine diabetes is type 1 and therefore not reversible). I also appreciate that the commenters here are respectful of others&#039; decisions. I gotta say that I&#039;ve got a high-quality group of visitors to this blog!

Rod, when Frankie was first diagnosed I took him to a holistic vet who gave us a sample of dehydrated raw food. Not only did it take longer than usual to feed Frankie -- he was tapping his little paws waiting for it to reconstitute -- but when the food finally reached the floor (in his bowl, of course), he refused to eat it. As one vet said, Frankie is a funny dog (and she didn&#039;t mean that in a ha, ha way). You never know what he will or won&#039;t like. But I really liked your post over at DoggieBytes and suggest everyone else go read it too!

Karen (aka Bloggie Stylish), I would move to Canada in a minute for the health care -- as well as the better food control -- if it wasn&#039;t so friggin cold there. I had enough winters in the northeast to last a lifetime.

Cyndicat, Thank you, thank you for explaining why Ian Billinghurst didn&#039;t have a problem with the BARF acronym!! I love the term &quot;technicolour yawn&quot; and will go on a personal campaign to try to make it catch on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I get for going out to dinner and shutting down my computer. I came back on line this morning to find all kinds of great comments that I wish I had time to address at the length they deserve (and in the format; when I revamp my blog &#8211; yes, that&#8217;s still in the works &#8212; I&#8217;ll have a threading device).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m glad raw feeding has worked for so many and maybe somewhere down the line I&#8217;ll tinker with Frankie&#8217;s diet again, but for now, I&#8217;m satisfied with the kibble/cooked meat &amp; veggie mix I&#8217;ve devised. It&#8217;s not like I haven&#8217;t been putting in the time. At one point I was slow cooking tepary beans from the Tohono O&#8217;odham reservation because of their high fiber and protein content, proven to reverse diabetes in humans (then I discovered canine diabetes is type 1 and therefore not reversible). I also appreciate that the commenters here are respectful of others&#8217; decisions. I gotta say that I&#8217;ve got a high-quality group of visitors to this blog!</p>
<p>Rod, when Frankie was first diagnosed I took him to a holistic vet who gave us a sample of dehydrated raw food. Not only did it take longer than usual to feed Frankie &#8212; he was tapping his little paws waiting for it to reconstitute &#8212; but when the food finally reached the floor (in his bowl, of course), he refused to eat it. As one vet said, Frankie is a funny dog (and she didn&#8217;t mean that in a ha, ha way). You never know what he will or won&#8217;t like. But I really liked your post over at DoggieBytes and suggest everyone else go read it too!</p>
<p>Karen (aka Bloggie Stylish), I would move to Canada in a minute for the health care &#8212; as well as the better food control &#8212; if it wasn&#8217;t so friggin cold there. I had enough winters in the northeast to last a lifetime.</p>
<p>Cyndicat, Thank you, thank you for explaining why Ian Billinghurst didn&#8217;t have a problem with the BARF acronym!! I love the term &#8220;technicolour yawn&#8221; and will go on a personal campaign to try to make it catch on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Garcia Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Garcia Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I have heard that the &quot;wolves eat stomach contents&quot; is disputed. There has been some evidence in both directions that they do not, in fact, eat stomach contents of ruminant animals.

In any case, I feed my dogs raw (and unless you are speaking about Dr. Billinghurst&#039;s particular model of raw feeding, it&#039;s raw feeding and not &quot;BARF&quot; anymore). I feed them raw because for us, it&#039;s a good option in terms of bioavailability of nutrients, ease of delivery, etc. I have large dogs, one who used to have chronic UTIs and the other who has been in renal failure since he was a puppy (we adopted him when he was about 1 year old, unaware of his issue). The one major benefit of feeding my dogs raw is the moisture content of the food. Raw food has a higher water content and for a dog with bad kidneys and another dog with questionable urinary tract, water is great. I do not feed prey model, however. Because my renal dog requires a low phosphorus diet, he gets moderate protein from easily digestible sources (such as egg) and because he cannot have bone or tons of high phosphorus foods (like organ meat), he gets vegetables (cooked and/or blended) and a carb such as sweet potato. I add yogurt, probiotics, and other renal supportive supplements as well as a phosphorus binder which also provides extra calcium. 

Anyway, for my situation, raw feeding was good. However, you have to be comfortable feeding your pet and if you&#039;re not comfortable feeding a raw diet, you shouldn&#039;t do it. There are great alternatives available, such as home cooking and high quality commercial diets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I have heard that the &#8220;wolves eat stomach contents&#8221; is disputed. There has been some evidence in both directions that they do not, in fact, eat stomach contents of ruminant animals.</p>
<p>In any case, I feed my dogs raw (and unless you are speaking about Dr. Billinghurst&#8217;s particular model of raw feeding, it&#8217;s raw feeding and not &#8220;BARF&#8221; anymore). I feed them raw because for us, it&#8217;s a good option in terms of bioavailability of nutrients, ease of delivery, etc. I have large dogs, one who used to have chronic UTIs and the other who has been in renal failure since he was a puppy (we adopted him when he was about 1 year old, unaware of his issue). The one major benefit of feeding my dogs raw is the moisture content of the food. Raw food has a higher water content and for a dog with bad kidneys and another dog with questionable urinary tract, water is great. I do not feed prey model, however. Because my renal dog requires a low phosphorus diet, he gets moderate protein from easily digestible sources (such as egg) and because he cannot have bone or tons of high phosphorus foods (like organ meat), he gets vegetables (cooked and/or blended) and a carb such as sweet potato. I add yogurt, probiotics, and other renal supportive supplements as well as a phosphorus binder which also provides extra calcium. </p>
<p>Anyway, for my situation, raw feeding was good. However, you have to be comfortable feeding your pet and if you&#8217;re not comfortable feeding a raw diet, you shouldn&#8217;t do it. There are great alternatives available, such as home cooking and high quality commercial diets.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggie Stylish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggie Stylish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DON&#039;T even get me started on the Food Inc doc, it was one scary show! Since I&#039;m semi-involved in the farming industry, I&#039;ve been very aware of Monsanto and their world domination ways. They are one evil company and I especially despise their lobbying against the labeling of GMO foods. If more people actually knew that their food was modified with all kinds of wacky genes, they might make different choices.

As for feeding Frankie, there is no right or wrong way. Since Frankie is immunocompromised, feeding raw probably isn&#039;t the best choice. There are a lot of good kibbles out there and raw isn&#039;t the only way. I feed Jersey Sojos raw veggie mix and I cook her meat. I do feed her raw beef bones from time to time and she loves it.  I&#039;m just not sold on feeding her raw meat all the time, call me a Nervous Nellie, but I don&#039;t want Jersey getting since from Salomnella.

And you should move to Canada so you can get good, wholesome beef. Bovine growth hormone is BANNED here and I&#039;m happy for that. The US is the largest user of BGH no surprise since Monsanto headquarters in the the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DON&#8217;T even get me started on the Food Inc doc, it was one scary show! Since I&#8217;m semi-involved in the farming industry, I&#8217;ve been very aware of Monsanto and their world domination ways. They are one evil company and I especially despise their lobbying against the labeling of GMO foods. If more people actually knew that their food was modified with all kinds of wacky genes, they might make different choices.</p>
<p>As for feeding Frankie, there is no right or wrong way. Since Frankie is immunocompromised, feeding raw probably isn&#8217;t the best choice. There are a lot of good kibbles out there and raw isn&#8217;t the only way. I feed Jersey Sojos raw veggie mix and I cook her meat. I do feed her raw beef bones from time to time and she loves it.  I&#8217;m just not sold on feeding her raw meat all the time, call me a Nervous Nellie, but I don&#8217;t want Jersey getting since from Salomnella.</p>
<p>And you should move to Canada so you can get good, wholesome beef. Bovine growth hormone is BANNED here and I&#8217;m happy for that. The US is the largest user of BGH no surprise since Monsanto headquarters in the the US.</p>
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		<title>By: GoPetFriendly</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoPetFriendly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you consider the dehydrated raw food diet from The Honest Kitchen?  It could be the compromise you&#039;re looking for.  Not to self-promote, but I have a guest post up at DoggyBytes (http://doggybytes.ca/switch-kibble-raw/2392/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DoggyBytes+%28Doggy+Bytes%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader) on our experience - and referencing it keeps this from being a long comment :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you consider the dehydrated raw food diet from The Honest Kitchen?  It could be the compromise you&#8217;re looking for.  Not to self-promote, but I have a guest post up at DoggyBytes (<a href="http://doggybytes.ca/switch-kibble-raw/2392/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DoggyBytes+%28Doggy+Bytes%29&#038;utm_content=Google+Reader" rel="nofollow">http://doggybytes.ca/switch-kibble-raw/2392/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DoggyBytes+%28Doggy+Bytes%29&#038;utm_content=Google+Reader</a>) on our experience &#8211; and referencing it keeps this from being a long comment <img src='http://willmydoghateme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cyndicat</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyndicat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had my 8-year old wire foxie on the BARF diet for three months. She gets chicken wings and/or necks in the morning and then the BARF prepared food for dinner or a meaty lamb or beef bone. Inbetween she enjoys small snacks of raw veg, fruit and linseed biscuits. I do have some &#039;holistic&#039; kibble (duck and rice) for emergencies.

We switched to BARF because she had ear and skin problems, both of which have disappeared since (well, the ears took a bit more attention, but both clear now). She loves the bones and I don&#039;t worry about salmonella etc as the bones are frozen and thawed when needed and the big ones tossed out when she&#039;s done chawing. Her teeth are fantastic. 

On the BARF acronym: the Vet who established the regime is Australian and down under we tend to refer to &#039;barfing&#039; as &#039;chucking&#039;, &#039;chundering&#039; or having a &#039;technicolour yawn&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had my 8-year old wire foxie on the BARF diet for three months. She gets chicken wings and/or necks in the morning and then the BARF prepared food for dinner or a meaty lamb or beef bone. Inbetween she enjoys small snacks of raw veg, fruit and linseed biscuits. I do have some &#8216;holistic&#8217; kibble (duck and rice) for emergencies.</p>
<p>We switched to BARF because she had ear and skin problems, both of which have disappeared since (well, the ears took a bit more attention, but both clear now). She loves the bones and I don&#8217;t worry about salmonella etc as the bones are frozen and thawed when needed and the big ones tossed out when she&#8217;s done chawing. Her teeth are fantastic. </p>
<p>On the BARF acronym: the Vet who established the regime is Australian and down under we tend to refer to &#8216;barfing&#8217; as &#8216;chucking&#8217;, &#8216;chundering&#8217; or having a &#8216;technicolour yawn&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Edie - yeah those Carnivore kisses are good! Dogs love them - have you seen their video on their website? It is really an interesting story on how they started. I do have a GSD and a Norwegian Buhund mix - small, medium and large in the family :-) My little Louis is almost 14 years old! I forgot to mention that I had 3 dogs when I mentioned cost - I thought about that in the car a moment ago! $120 would be a HUGE amount for Louis, our mini dachshund! Frankie is just too adorable and I do think you chose the right picture for the theme - his picture makes you want to just pick him up and give him a big kiss on the forehead.

Tom Lindsale, a vet in Australia has a book called Raw Meaty Bones. It is a great read - http://www.rawmeatybones.com. Jim recommended it to me. 

Even humans with compromised immune systems can feed Raw - just like those with compromised systems can have cats. They just have to be very sensible about handling, cleaning up afterwards and where you feed. Mine have their own towels they eat on and those towels get sterilized in the wash! I do understand the concern though. I&#039;m constantly wiping up the counters, door handles and every place I think I might have touched. Of course I try to remember that I don&#039;t do that in all the public places I go and I don&#039;t even want to think about that! LOL

Rebecca - thanks for all you do for the dogs! There is a lady I talk to on a GSD forum that just rescued a GSD mom and her 8 puppies! they were at a high kill animal shelter. The mom was so happy looking knowing she and her pups were going to be safe.  

Have a great new year everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Edie &#8211; yeah those Carnivore kisses are good! Dogs love them &#8211; have you seen their video on their website? It is really an interesting story on how they started. I do have a GSD and a Norwegian Buhund mix &#8211; small, medium and large in the family <img src='http://willmydoghateme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  My little Louis is almost 14 years old! I forgot to mention that I had 3 dogs when I mentioned cost &#8211; I thought about that in the car a moment ago! $120 would be a HUGE amount for Louis, our mini dachshund! Frankie is just too adorable and I do think you chose the right picture for the theme &#8211; his picture makes you want to just pick him up and give him a big kiss on the forehead.</p>
<p>Tom Lindsale, a vet in Australia has a book called Raw Meaty Bones. It is a great read &#8211; <a href="http://www.rawmeatybones.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawmeatybones.com</a>. Jim recommended it to me. </p>
<p>Even humans with compromised immune systems can feed Raw &#8211; just like those with compromised systems can have cats. They just have to be very sensible about handling, cleaning up afterwards and where you feed. Mine have their own towels they eat on and those towels get sterilized in the wash! I do understand the concern though. I&#8217;m constantly wiping up the counters, door handles and every place I think I might have touched. Of course I try to remember that I don&#8217;t do that in all the public places I go and I don&#8217;t even want to think about that! LOL</p>
<p>Rebecca &#8211; thanks for all you do for the dogs! There is a lady I talk to on a GSD forum that just rescued a GSD mom and her 8 puppies! they were at a high kill animal shelter. The mom was so happy looking knowing she and her pups were going to be safe.  </p>
<p>Have a great new year everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true; I didn&#039;t even think of the human danger side of the equation. I tend not to worry about touching raw meat -- I often do it when I divide Frankie&#039;s meat into little packets to freeze -- but of course my immune system isn&#039;t compromised as yours is.

It&#039;s hard to underestimate the complexity of this issue -- but it&#039;s heartening to know that everyone who has commented is working in good faith to do right by their dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true; I didn&#8217;t even think of the human danger side of the equation. I tend not to worry about touching raw meat &#8212; I often do it when I divide Frankie&#8217;s meat into little packets to freeze &#8212; but of course my immune system isn&#8217;t compromised as yours is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to underestimate the complexity of this issue &#8212; but it&#8217;s heartening to know that everyone who has commented is working in good faith to do right by their dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Boren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Boren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t just compromised canine immune systems that are a potential issue with a raw-food dog diet -- humans with dicey immune systems are also at risk. At another risk -- that of being too graphic for some gentle readers-- I will note that dogs do not usually get sick from eating salmonella or some other charming pathogen. They pass it straight through their digestive tracks, and out where it can infect the unwary human through poor pooping scoopping practices or accidents I will not detail here. I am equally wary of passing out raw poultry to my pups -- salmonella infection rates are soooooo high in mass-produced chickens and their kin. I know that the first thing my dogs do with something yummy to eat is to go enjoy is somewhere difficult, if not impossible, to sterilize. 
On the other side, it is only common sense to expect that dogs fed nothing but kibble will develop health problems.  (How do you think you would do on all corn flakes, all the time?)I don&#039;t have the scientific credentials of some bloggers here, but when doing rescue, I found that a sorts of canine skin problems cleared up as soon as I fed my rescues a  mix of high-quality kibble and as much cooked food as I could afford.
So that&#039;s what I feed my own dogs now -- about half the best kibble I can buy, and about half cooked meat with vegetables and sometimes apples (being careful to avoid all seeds in the fruit).  I only wish I had enough confidence in the safety of the food supply to give them raw, meaty bones to chew on, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t just compromised canine immune systems that are a potential issue with a raw-food dog diet &#8212; humans with dicey immune systems are also at risk. At another risk &#8212; that of being too graphic for some gentle readers&#8211; I will note that dogs do not usually get sick from eating salmonella or some other charming pathogen. They pass it straight through their digestive tracks, and out where it can infect the unwary human through poor pooping scoopping practices or accidents I will not detail here. I am equally wary of passing out raw poultry to my pups &#8212; salmonella infection rates are soooooo high in mass-produced chickens and their kin. I know that the first thing my dogs do with something yummy to eat is to go enjoy is somewhere difficult, if not impossible, to sterilize.<br />
On the other side, it is only common sense to expect that dogs fed nothing but kibble will develop health problems.  (How do you think you would do on all corn flakes, all the time?)I don&#8217;t have the scientific credentials of some bloggers here, but when doing rescue, I found that a sorts of canine skin problems cleared up as soon as I fed my rescues a  mix of high-quality kibble and as much cooked food as I could afford.<br />
So that&#8217;s what I feed my own dogs now &#8212; about half the best kibble I can buy, and about half cooked meat with vegetables and sometimes apples (being careful to avoid all seeds in the fruit).  I only wish I had enough confidence in the safety of the food supply to give them raw, meaty bones to chew on, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your detailed comment. I&#039;ve got to admit when you say you feed your mini-dachsund a raw diet that makes it sound more appealing to me; most people who promote raw feeding seem to have big, macho dogs ;-). 

You&#039;re right about kibble, and the Merrick recall really threw me for a loop. That&#039;s one of the &quot;good&quot; brands.  The feed/pet store that I frequent sells Stella &amp; Chewys. I may check it out. Who knows; I could end up being a convert yet. Sending greetings to and saying flattering things about my dog is always a way to win me over...

P.S. Just checked and realized I&#039;ve been giving Frankie Stella &amp; Chewys Carnivore Kisses as treats for a long time now. Very pricey, but I got the last two jars at a 2-for-1 sale at my local store so felt like I was getting a huge bargain (at ony $5.50 a jar).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your detailed comment. I&#8217;ve got to admit when you say you feed your mini-dachsund a raw diet that makes it sound more appealing to me; most people who promote raw feeding seem to have big, macho dogs <img src='http://willmydoghateme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about kibble, and the Merrick recall really threw me for a loop. That&#8217;s one of the &#8220;good&#8221; brands.  The feed/pet store that I frequent sells Stella &amp; Chewys. I may check it out. Who knows; I could end up being a convert yet. Sending greetings to and saying flattering things about my dog is always a way to win me over&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. Just checked and realized I&#8217;ve been giving Frankie Stella &#038; Chewys Carnivore Kisses as treats for a long time now. Very pricey, but I got the last two jars at a 2-for-1 sale at my local store so felt like I was getting a huge bargain (at ony $5.50 a jar).</p>
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